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Post by bouncymermaid on Apr 18, 2024 15:35:54 GMT
I see the FA Cup has announced that replays will be scrapped from the First Round Proper onwards.
Absolute joke. What's worse is that I'm sure there is nothing that the Non-League nor the EFL can do to protest with a decision, that lets face it, has been made exclusively to help the Premier League.
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Post by daves on Apr 18, 2024 18:45:24 GMT
Disgraceful decision 😡
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Post by bouncymermaid on Apr 18, 2024 23:07:33 GMT
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Post by spooky on Apr 19, 2024 4:56:17 GMT
3 days after the end of the season, Newcastle and Tottenham fly to Australia to play a friendly. That's how upset they are about playing too many matches.
They've increased the number of Champions League matches, but hey, that's fine.
Really think this matter needs to be protested. This is all about the greed of the teams at the top and their contempt for those teams outside the Premiership.
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Post by bouncymermaid on Apr 19, 2024 5:17:16 GMT
3 days after the end of the season, Newcastle and Tottenham fly to Australia to play a friendly. That's how upset they are about playing too many matches. They've increased the number of Champions League matches, but hey, that's fine. Really think this matter needs to be protested. This is all about the greed of the teams at the top and their contempt for those teams outside the Premiership. 100%, the greed and corruption is destroying the game. The fact that Man City can pay a player a wage that probably tops our budget and a bit to spare and have the sheer audacity to complain about fixture congestion is laughable. If I was the EFL or Vanarama chair I would say that all teams should boycott the cup if this goes ahead. The rot must be stopped. |
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Post by spooky on Apr 19, 2024 6:46:45 GMT
I'd also question how fair the prize money allocation is. £2m for winning, £1m for runners up. If you have got that far, you would have made a packet from TV rights, prize money and big crowds from several previous rounds. You'd get a share of the guaranteed TV money in the final and share of gate receipts. You are also looking at being in Europe with the huge income that would generate. The £2m prize money for actually winning the cup becomes relatively immaterial. That prize money should be spread a little fairer further down the chain. Increase the prizes in earlier rounds where it is actually needed.
Won't happen though...
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Post by andypurchase on Apr 19, 2024 7:24:46 GMT
Disgraceful, but all too predictable decision.
I'm even sceptical about the increased revenue for "grass roots football". That seems to me these days to be about women's, youths and disability football - mot men's semi-pro (or even pro) at non-league level where we've seen some real financial difficulty of late and which is of far greater interest among the community than those groups I've mentioned (with no disrespect to them at all).
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Post by spooky on Apr 19, 2024 7:29:21 GMT
Apparently the big 6 Premiership sides have been involved in 5 FA Cup replays between them in the last 5 years. They are binning off cup replays for the sake of an average of one extra match each every 5 seasons.
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Post by spooky on Apr 19, 2024 7:32:26 GMT
Disgraceful, but all too predictable decision. I'm even sceptical about the increased revenue for "grass roots football". That seems to me these days to be about women's, youths and disability football - mot men's semi-pro (or even pro) at non-league level where we've seen some real financial difficulty of late and which is of far greater interest among the community than those groups I've mentioned (with no disrespect to them at all). They quote £1.6b over 3 years to 'grass roots football', however £700m of that is accounted for by parachute payments to big Championship sides who have dropped out of the Premiership. Hardly grass roots... |
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Post by prestonterra on Apr 19, 2024 9:01:42 GMT
Every club in the country should petition the FA about this. Spookies fact about the top 6 clubs is fascinating, if they do not like the current way, then don't enter. The rest of the clubs should band together and boycott the event.
The FA should not be allowed to take away the magic of the competition, forgetting the financial aspect for a moment, the FA Cup is all about the lower league clubs such as our selves. Nobody can take away the memories of the Forrest games.
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Post by bouncymermaid on Apr 19, 2024 9:03:49 GMT
What I'm slightly frustrated is we (The Terras) haven't released a statement yet. Kettering and Wimbledon have released a statement 2 hours ago. We really need to get one out there as well in my opinion.
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Post by unitedterra1705 on Apr 19, 2024 9:11:00 GMT
3 days after the end of the season, Newcastle and Tottenham fly to Australia to play a friendly. That's how upset they are about playing too many matches. They've increased the number of Champions League matches, but hey, that's fine. Really think this matter needs to be protested. This is all about the greed of the teams at the top and their contempt for those teams outside the Premiership. Only reason why replays have been scrapped is because of the new Champions League format, more games, and more revenue. But the big teams, the revenue they get from a Fa Cup game means nothing to them, but the likes of us and other non league teams, that could be the difference with us surviving a few more years. Absolute shambolic decision by those involved. Hopefully City will be non league soon anyway, so they might appreciate it when they play Ramsbottom in the Northern Premier 🤣 |
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Post by sporran on Apr 19, 2024 9:16:41 GMT
I think to make this decision in isolation is a kick in the nads for most of the pyramid.
I believe they could have been more creative and actually have made the same decision regards replays and it would have benefited the EFL and Non-League clubs dramatically.
Qualifying rounds don't mess with, and I don't think they have.
Round One don't mess with.
Round Two start to introduce a level of seeding, lets assume that you can put a game on, on a Friday night, couple on Saturday and a couple on Sunday on the Tellybox, so manufacture 5 David and Goliath ties, when they make the draw, take the Top 5 ranked teams in League One and the 5 lowest ranked teams still in the competition and put those guys in the hat so that you have 5 telly matches drawn first.
Round Three do the same, 5 more chances of money spinners against some of the better teams in Europe.
Then after that, Round Four onwards, the lower ranked team has the decision on where the game is played with an open draw. For some lower EFL and the occasional Non-League team they get the choice of where they play, if they drew a Prem side they might want the big pay-day at theirs, if they drew a team 20 places up the pyramid they might fancy bringing them to their gaff.
If something like the above had been done I think I could live with the scrapping of replays because each year it would force some money into 10-15 clubs down the pyramid.
On the ending of replays I'd also trial a different way of determining the end of the tie. Always felt that they do Extra-time and Pens the wrong way around, which results in a villian being created. I'd do the pens first, 3 each then sudden death, the team that wins that gets advantage (effectively 0.5 goal), then just play 20 mins (no change ends) with the team that lost the penalties having to score more than the other team. Scores level means the team who won the pens wins by "Penalty Advantage". It would make for a more attacking extra-time, well at least from one team anyway.
I just think that there was a way here that could have appeased all levels of the pyramid.
Whilst it might not be popular I think I'd have scrapped the League Cup and ploughed all the emphasis into the FA Cup, still keep all the EFL Cups etc as they need the revenue and a chance of a trip to Wemberlee.
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Post by sporran on Apr 19, 2024 9:41:45 GMT
3 days after the end of the season, Newcastle and Tottenham fly to Australia to play a friendly. That's how upset they are about playing too many matches. They've increased the number of Champions League matches, but hey, that's fine. Really think this matter needs to be protested. This is all about the greed of the teams at the top and their contempt for those teams outside the Premiership. Great point. Once again I have a view. Ok bear with me, I know I'm dull. I miss the old European Cup, with real Champions in it. Why not take the Champions of the top 12 leagues in Europe, plus 4 others from a qualifying competition to have a 16 team knockout competition which is concluded in a big Final just before Xmas. Then if there is a need to have the Champions League, have qualification running alongside the European Cup prior to Xmas and then start the Champions League in February after every European country has had January to organise themselves, offer Winter breaks, concentrate on domestic cups etc. When the big tournaments like AFCON and Asian Cup come along, play them in January, so it doesn't affect the big clubs. The Champions League can be whatever format you like from February through to May, shirley that's enough time to have 8 groups of 6 played (just the 5 games each) with the top 2 in each going through to a straight knockout (no replays  ) |
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Post by discostoobs on Apr 19, 2024 10:21:33 GMT
Furthermore, Premier League clubs with their cutting edge physio departments and facilities are allowed to name 9 subs, using 5 per match. Allowing them to protect their assets, whilst non league teams can use just 3 from 5 non pro athletes, who cannot be afforded the protection provided by superior medical facilities
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Post by prestonterra on Apr 19, 2024 10:28:37 GMT
I think to make this decision in isolation is a kick in the nads for most of the pyramid. I believe they could have been more creative and actually have made the same decision regards replays and it would have benefited the EFL and Non-League clubs dramatically. Qualifying rounds don't mess with, and I don't think they have. Round One don't mess with. Round Two start to introduce a level of seeding, lets assume that you can put a game on, on a Friday night, couple on Saturday and a couple on Sunday on the Tellybox, so manufacture 5 David and Goliath ties, when they make the draw, take the Top 5 ranked teams in League One and the 5 lowest ranked teams still in the competition and put those guys in the hat so that you have 5 telly matches drawn first. Round Three do the same, 5 more chances of money spinners against some of the better teams in Europe. Then after that, Round Four onwards, the lower ranked team has the decision on where the game is played with an open draw. For some lower EFL and the occasional Non-League team they get the choice of where they play, if they drew a Prem side they might want the big pay-day at theirs, if they drew a team 20 places up the pyramid they might fancy bringing them to their gaff. If something like the above had been done I think I could live with the scrapping of replays because each year it would force some money into 10-15 clubs down the pyramid. On the ending of replays I'd also trial a different way of determining the end of the tie. Always felt that they do Extra-time and Pens the wrong way around, which results in a villian being created. I'd do the pens first, 3 each then sudden death, the team that wins that gets advantage (effectively 0.5 goal), then just play 20 mins (no change ends) with the team that lost the penalties having to score more than the other team. Scores level means the team who won the pens wins by "Penalty Advantage". It would make for a more attacking extra-time, well at least from one team anyway. I just think that there was a way here that could have appeased all levels of the pyramid. Whilst it might not be popular I think I'd have scrapped the League Cup and ploughed all the emphasis into the FA Cup, still keep all the EFL Cups etc as they need the revenue and a chance of a trip to Wemberlee. It just needs leaving alone, it aint broke so don't try to fix it, especially at the expense of the majority of clubs and fans in the country. Let the so called big clubs bugger off to Europe, be gone the lot of them. It just needs leaving alone, it aint broke so don't try to fix it, especially at the expense of the majority of clubs and fans in the country. Let the so called big clubs bugger off to Europe, be gone the lot of them. |
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Post by elyterra2 on Apr 19, 2024 11:08:16 GMT
I think the club should boycott the competition, and if they don't then fans should.
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Post by spooky on Apr 19, 2024 11:22:31 GMT
I'm seeing statements from many, many EFL and non league clubs following on from Tranmere's lead. Hoping Weymouth can add their name to the growing list of disgruntled clubs. We can only change these decisions by standing together...
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Post by kevin on Apr 19, 2024 11:37:47 GMT
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Post by granddad on Apr 19, 2024 18:11:55 GMT
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